1Kain
05-10-2008, 07:24 AM
Still some guys dont really know how to gear up his dagger class. AS CD or ASH? How to set up his own dye to his playing style and class.
Focus power or focus chance?
In Interlude its gonna be even more fun.
I bet that TH on Eternal Sin with his 4 change target skills (trick, switch, mirage, bluff) is going to be best pvp class, because of full buffs and crazy atk spd but
here we go some math tested on working Interlude server.
Seem that a lot of ppls still think wrong about a lot of things of daggers skills. Thats what I've learn from daggers in like 3 years of L2 and i will be pleased to learn more.. if u disagree, show to us what is wrong and prove.
All This was tested in C4, C5 and Interlude.
Weapons:
On ES noone is bothering themself about dagger pick up, cause Its doesnt really matter on server like Eternal Sin where everyone's using only Angel Slayer and difference lays on between his level on enchants. But still its intresting stuff and good thing to know how its working on low rate servers.
Some guys for sure has noticed that there's a difference between dagger Special Ability low grade like C and high grade like A.
Critical damage SA is giving u more profit on high grade dagger and decreasing to C grade. However Focus SA is much much bether on C grade dagger like dark screamer and its decreasing up to A grade.
Dark screamer is increasing your critical atack rate by 81 and bloody orchid by just 67. Bloody orchid is giving u more p atk so everything is balanced, but if u r lucky enough u can make rly good weapon during enchanting dark screamer.
About Critical damage SA, thing with that working in way different - higher grade bether CD SA u will get, no doubt.
Angel Slayer CD Crt. Damage Increases P. Atk. by 265 --> Soul Separator Critical Damage increases P. Atk. by 200 --> Demon Sword Critical Damage Increases P. Atk. to 160 --> ...and lower
Bloody Orchid Focus Increases Critical Attack by 67 <-- Kris Focus Increases Critical Attack by 71 <--....<-- Dark Screamer Focus Increases Critical Attack by 81
So its way bether to have low grade weapon highly encahnted if u counting on focus SA than A bloody orchid focus + 3. As I've said it doesnt matter on server like Eternal sin where u r fully buffed u dont need Focus SA, but on Low Rate server stuff like that helps.
Power of Skills(Blows)
-P.Atk has efect in Blows power.. and sure str do too... but how much?
Dagger skill damage [deadly blow] = (skill power + p.atk * 2[soulshot]) * crit power buffs[dw/dof/cov/etc] + 6.1 * crit dmg additives [VS/crit dmg SA/crit power passives])*70/target p.def
-At lvl 55, a TH has about 377 p.atk(40str) using a demon dagger, no buffs, no VS, With SA CD .
Doing Mortal blow lvl 24 its like:
(977(MB power) + 754(P.atk*2) + 6.1(160+177)*70/ Target P.def.
(977+754+2055)*70/ 400 Target p.def
265020/400 = 662 damage
-At lvl 55, a AW has about 388 p.atk(41str) using a demon dagger, no buffs, no VS, With SA CD.
Doing Mortal blow lvl 24 its like:
(977(MB power) + 776(P.atk*2) + 6.1(160+177)*70/ Target P.def.
(977+776+2055)*70/ 400 Target p.def
266560/400 = 666 damage
-At lvl 55, a PW has about 335 p.atk(36str) using a demon dagger, no buffs, no VS, With SA CD.
Doing Mortal blow lvl 24 its like:
(977(MB power) + 670(P.atk*2) + 6.1(160)*70/ Target P.def.
(977+670+976)*70/ 400 Target p.def
183610/400 = 460 damage
Now i know the full calc: XD did not test all!! so if someone test and is something wrong, tell us..
As u can see, PW will have the weakest Blows, TH and AW will have almost the same power. at high lvl, that diference its lower becouse critical power only goes up to lvl 6 giving ~390 points.
Doing -str u will lose more damage when u are buffed, becouse, the buffs apply direct in the P.atk.. so its important to do not nerf too much p.atk if u want lots of damage and allways play full buffed..
Landing Rate of blows
I never did find the calc of landing rate exacly, so all i can say its about tests that a had made some time ago in Interlude PTS.
Dex its the trigger to land skills, a TH 35 dex and a PW 35 dex will land same % of blows.. it depends of the direction of the atack.. atacking a enimy from behind u will land 50% more skill, from site its about 25% more.
Do the same calc for any Dex... im not sure about landing base = 35%.
Seems like PP buffs change the land rate, i did not prove that, but in some tests, blows land more like 50% some times, and i dont know what buff do that..
Another thing is that land rate seems afected by the dex of the target, even mobs or ppls, its easy to land blows in zombies, as it is easy to hit orcs chars.. for there i dont know too.. maybe its luck against then all the time.. XD
I dont know if there is any calc accuracy vs evasion either.
-A PW 35 dex = 35base*1.15dex = 40% lading from front, 60% from behind, 50% from side... .
Skills like Mortal strike, seems to add landing rate.. at lvl 1 = 10%, lvl 2 = 20%, lvl 3 = 30%. Efects of of critical blow can get to lvl 5 = 50%.
-A PW 35 dex = 35base*1.15dex = 40% more mortal strike lvl 3 will be (40*1,3) = 52% lading from front, 78% from behind, 65% from side...
-A TH 30 dex = 35base*1.1dex = 38,5% more Critical blow lvl 5 will be (38,5*1,5)) = 58% lading from front, 87% from behind, 73% from side...
Death Focus its the great trunf of the dagger(AW/PW), it gives more 60% lading rate of blows.
-A PW 35 dex = 35base*1.15dex = 40% more mortal strike lvl 3 will be (40*1,3)) = 52% more Death Focus (52*1,6) = 83% lading from front, 99% from behind, 99% from side...
TH is nerfed becouse he dont have death focus, only Focus Change.. that it give -30% landing from front, + 30% from side, +60% from Back.. He can do blows with 99% landing, but only from behind and it will nerf power, Death Focus gives 60% landing in all directions and gives more 60% power from back... Thats why PW gets strong at lvl 78+, and why AW its so damn strong.. Oo
----------------At Last--------------------
All dagger can win of all, sure depends on luck if both ppls are good. But by math, its this :
-At lvl 74 -> TH>AW>PW
TH has more landing then PW(for 15 secs), it is as power as AW and got more HP.
-At lvl 78 -> AW->PW->TH
Landing rate with death focus will be the trigger to TH lose even to a PW.. TH can win, but u will need luck to do that since AW and PW got almost 100% blows landing for 2 min.. XD
-At lvl 79+ -> PW=TH=AW
79 skills can make a lot of diference if well used.. so, at this lvl, best ppl win.. PW has the powerst skill at lvl 79(Dodge), TH has a good too (Mirage), AW not at all, but still very strong and can win.. XD Also everything much more depends on atk spd. So TH is wining in this, especialy full buffed where he can use 1 of his 4 changing target skills, so i think he's going to win.
Its really good to keep in mind that In interlude all the daggers has been boosted with new way working UE. Since now Ultimate Evasion is going to decrease chance of being sleeped, debufed and stunned. So its rly huge advantage against mages, especially damn necros. But still evasion has nothing to do with blows landing rate. Ofourse everything depends how oreo is going to set up server and if his server has all working files.
Focus power or focus chance?
In Interlude its gonna be even more fun.
I bet that TH on Eternal Sin with his 4 change target skills (trick, switch, mirage, bluff) is going to be best pvp class, because of full buffs and crazy atk spd but
here we go some math tested on working Interlude server.
Seem that a lot of ppls still think wrong about a lot of things of daggers skills. Thats what I've learn from daggers in like 3 years of L2 and i will be pleased to learn more.. if u disagree, show to us what is wrong and prove.
All This was tested in C4, C5 and Interlude.
Weapons:
On ES noone is bothering themself about dagger pick up, cause Its doesnt really matter on server like Eternal Sin where everyone's using only Angel Slayer and difference lays on between his level on enchants. But still its intresting stuff and good thing to know how its working on low rate servers.
Some guys for sure has noticed that there's a difference between dagger Special Ability low grade like C and high grade like A.
Critical damage SA is giving u more profit on high grade dagger and decreasing to C grade. However Focus SA is much much bether on C grade dagger like dark screamer and its decreasing up to A grade.
Dark screamer is increasing your critical atack rate by 81 and bloody orchid by just 67. Bloody orchid is giving u more p atk so everything is balanced, but if u r lucky enough u can make rly good weapon during enchanting dark screamer.
About Critical damage SA, thing with that working in way different - higher grade bether CD SA u will get, no doubt.
Angel Slayer CD Crt. Damage Increases P. Atk. by 265 --> Soul Separator Critical Damage increases P. Atk. by 200 --> Demon Sword Critical Damage Increases P. Atk. to 160 --> ...and lower
Bloody Orchid Focus Increases Critical Attack by 67 <-- Kris Focus Increases Critical Attack by 71 <--....<-- Dark Screamer Focus Increases Critical Attack by 81
So its way bether to have low grade weapon highly encahnted if u counting on focus SA than A bloody orchid focus + 3. As I've said it doesnt matter on server like Eternal sin where u r fully buffed u dont need Focus SA, but on Low Rate server stuff like that helps.
Power of Skills(Blows)
-P.Atk has efect in Blows power.. and sure str do too... but how much?
Dagger skill damage [deadly blow] = (skill power + p.atk * 2[soulshot]) * crit power buffs[dw/dof/cov/etc] + 6.1 * crit dmg additives [VS/crit dmg SA/crit power passives])*70/target p.def
-At lvl 55, a TH has about 377 p.atk(40str) using a demon dagger, no buffs, no VS, With SA CD .
Doing Mortal blow lvl 24 its like:
(977(MB power) + 754(P.atk*2) + 6.1(160+177)*70/ Target P.def.
(977+754+2055)*70/ 400 Target p.def
265020/400 = 662 damage
-At lvl 55, a AW has about 388 p.atk(41str) using a demon dagger, no buffs, no VS, With SA CD.
Doing Mortal blow lvl 24 its like:
(977(MB power) + 776(P.atk*2) + 6.1(160+177)*70/ Target P.def.
(977+776+2055)*70/ 400 Target p.def
266560/400 = 666 damage
-At lvl 55, a PW has about 335 p.atk(36str) using a demon dagger, no buffs, no VS, With SA CD.
Doing Mortal blow lvl 24 its like:
(977(MB power) + 670(P.atk*2) + 6.1(160)*70/ Target P.def.
(977+670+976)*70/ 400 Target p.def
183610/400 = 460 damage
Now i know the full calc: XD did not test all!! so if someone test and is something wrong, tell us..
As u can see, PW will have the weakest Blows, TH and AW will have almost the same power. at high lvl, that diference its lower becouse critical power only goes up to lvl 6 giving ~390 points.
Doing -str u will lose more damage when u are buffed, becouse, the buffs apply direct in the P.atk.. so its important to do not nerf too much p.atk if u want lots of damage and allways play full buffed..
Landing Rate of blows
I never did find the calc of landing rate exacly, so all i can say its about tests that a had made some time ago in Interlude PTS.
Dex its the trigger to land skills, a TH 35 dex and a PW 35 dex will land same % of blows.. it depends of the direction of the atack.. atacking a enimy from behind u will land 50% more skill, from site its about 25% more.
Do the same calc for any Dex... im not sure about landing base = 35%.
Seems like PP buffs change the land rate, i did not prove that, but in some tests, blows land more like 50% some times, and i dont know what buff do that..
Another thing is that land rate seems afected by the dex of the target, even mobs or ppls, its easy to land blows in zombies, as it is easy to hit orcs chars.. for there i dont know too.. maybe its luck against then all the time.. XD
I dont know if there is any calc accuracy vs evasion either.
-A PW 35 dex = 35base*1.15dex = 40% lading from front, 60% from behind, 50% from side... .
Skills like Mortal strike, seems to add landing rate.. at lvl 1 = 10%, lvl 2 = 20%, lvl 3 = 30%. Efects of of critical blow can get to lvl 5 = 50%.
-A PW 35 dex = 35base*1.15dex = 40% more mortal strike lvl 3 will be (40*1,3) = 52% lading from front, 78% from behind, 65% from side...
-A TH 30 dex = 35base*1.1dex = 38,5% more Critical blow lvl 5 will be (38,5*1,5)) = 58% lading from front, 87% from behind, 73% from side...
Death Focus its the great trunf of the dagger(AW/PW), it gives more 60% lading rate of blows.
-A PW 35 dex = 35base*1.15dex = 40% more mortal strike lvl 3 will be (40*1,3)) = 52% more Death Focus (52*1,6) = 83% lading from front, 99% from behind, 99% from side...
TH is nerfed becouse he dont have death focus, only Focus Change.. that it give -30% landing from front, + 30% from side, +60% from Back.. He can do blows with 99% landing, but only from behind and it will nerf power, Death Focus gives 60% landing in all directions and gives more 60% power from back... Thats why PW gets strong at lvl 78+, and why AW its so damn strong.. Oo
----------------At Last--------------------
All dagger can win of all, sure depends on luck if both ppls are good. But by math, its this :
-At lvl 74 -> TH>AW>PW
TH has more landing then PW(for 15 secs), it is as power as AW and got more HP.
-At lvl 78 -> AW->PW->TH
Landing rate with death focus will be the trigger to TH lose even to a PW.. TH can win, but u will need luck to do that since AW and PW got almost 100% blows landing for 2 min.. XD
-At lvl 79+ -> PW=TH=AW
79 skills can make a lot of diference if well used.. so, at this lvl, best ppl win.. PW has the powerst skill at lvl 79(Dodge), TH has a good too (Mirage), AW not at all, but still very strong and can win.. XD Also everything much more depends on atk spd. So TH is wining in this, especialy full buffed where he can use 1 of his 4 changing target skills, so i think he's going to win.
Its really good to keep in mind that In interlude all the daggers has been boosted with new way working UE. Since now Ultimate Evasion is going to decrease chance of being sleeped, debufed and stunned. So its rly huge advantage against mages, especially damn necros. But still evasion has nothing to do with blows landing rate. Ofourse everything depends how oreo is going to set up server and if his server has all working files.