TH vs AW

[Zadroch]

Hi ! :-)))
I have rolled TH subclass and now I'm bit thinking should I take AW as subclass...

What is positive sides of TH and AW?

Now playing TH I noticed it can't chase down even mages unless I used Dash. Even with Dash it's hard to chase down PR. Dash is reloading slow, and works for too short time.

I wonder will AW run faster?

As for other TH is fine for me.

[Ragnork]

AWs hit harder,run faster,have blinding blow and shit so you can fuck ppl up.they dont ahve m def what so ever so youll get debuffed like fuck.
in a 1 v 1,both of which the th and the aw know their class,the th is better.

[Zadroch]

AWs hit harder,run faster,have blinding blow and shit so you can fuck ppl up.they dont ahve m def what so ever so youll get debuffed like fuck.
in a 1 v 1,both of which the th and the aw know their class,the th is better.

So if I understood you right, TH is better for general use, including 1vs1.
While fast and hard hitting AW is good for slaughtering mages and bishops in mass PvP in narrow places like ITC where it's not easy to target it. Right?

First I took AW subclass then I found out that I it damn misses the target all the time. So I switch to TH now I hit and bleff most of the times, but can't catch anyone fast:-)

[Ragnork]

So if I understood you right, TH is better for general use, including 1vs1.
While fast and hard hitting AW is good for slaughtering mages and bishops in mass PvP in narrow places like ITC where it's not easy to target it. Right?

First I took AW subclass then I found out that I it damn misses the target all the time. So I switch to TH now I hit and bleff most of the times, but can't catch anyone fast:-)

yep,i still prefer Aws,never miss my stabs

[Ren0W]

Not easy to target in narrow places ... :confused:
fast targetting is like, what..#1 in l2?

[Nidee]

get a +16 crit damage angel slayer , +5 str on an aw with full p atk buffs and you'll crit more with dagger then you'll do with your specials, es is a funny lil server ^_^

[Zadroch]

Not easy to target in narrow places ... :confused:
fast targetting is like, what..#1 in l2?

Well in empty corridor in front of party AW has no chance he will get slept, canceled and nuked before he reaches the bishop.

When tho space is narrow and there are mass PVP going on, it's not easy to notice and target small fast running DE, unless it's destroyer with AW subclass. There is kissme little dorf dagger I always miss here by my clicks :-)

[DarkVador]

AW 4 Ev3r !!!!
Sincerely, AW is the best :p

[Ren0W]

Well in empty corridor in front of party AW has no chance he will get slept, canceled and nuked before he reaches the bishop.



An dagger is an assassin. Holas. He's the one that sneaks thru...and kills of people, one by one, without being noticed.

If you run infront, you are a nubcake LAWL LAWL.

Only pro people are allowed to do that.

[Zadroch]

Pro are those haxors with p.Def from tank :-))) and m.Def from bishops :-) HP from Destroyer, looking like dorf with AS +20?

[seutje]

Not easy to target in narrow places ... :confused:
fast targetting is like, what..#1 in l2?

get auto-targetting like every1 else :p

[Miyagi]

Aw > Th

[SpongeBob]

Aw is very good skill change and huge hit.. Because Aw is Crit Power Lv 6 ;)

[Ren0W]

get auto-targetting like every1 else :p

Macro plis :(

[Zadroch]

Tell me about auto-targeting, what kind of hack is that?
The @Target nearest enemy@ shit doesn't work for me, and can't see how it could be useful in PVP.

BTW yesterday me TH 78 and my GF AW 72, had tried our skills on the same bishop :-))))

She deal 220 damage on usual hit with SS +13 and I deal 60-150 with my AS+6 (1 attack point difference), and she can deal 1700+ damage on specials, while I can deal only 1200+.

All of this with +4 DEX -5 STR dye for AW and +4 DEX -5CON on TH.

[Ragnork]

Tell me about auto-targeting, what kind of hack is that?
The @Target nearest enemy@ shit doesn't work for me, and can't see how it could be useful in PVP.

BTW yesterday me TH 78 and my GF AW 72, had tried our skills on the same bishop :-))))

She deal 220 damage on usual hit with SS +13 and I deal 60-150 with my AS+6 (1 attack point difference), and she can deal 1700+ damage on specials, while I can deal only 1200+.

All of this with +4 DEX -5 STR dye for AW and +4 DEX -5CON on TH.

i use pizza

[kelvin]

I'm using a PW because i wanted the high evasion and running speed.. Now i found out they changed this shit so badly, an AW has better stats..

[zlip]

Pro are those haxors with p.Def from tank :-))) and m.Def from bishops :-) HP from Destroyer, looking like dorf with AS +20?

ya know, bishops dont have that high mdef. There's like 10 other classes with higher mdef.
Tanks for example.

[Siegfried]

I like th the most.

[Gokuu]

TH's has Dash, the speed increases for 30 seconds, AW's dont have it. So when you need to avoid to get killed, a TH is much better in it, you should watch LeaftheRed2, when he uses tattoo and dash, his speed is like wtf!

Allthough, a AW has HEX, if it lands, and you got a AS crit +16, and dyes +5 str, you will crit like god...(think about 4/5kdmg)

I would say take a AW

[RockSG]

Nice Explain Gokuu ;)

[Gokuu]

Nice Explain Gokuu ;)

:D love you toooo

[Zadroch]

I had finalized as TH dagger and PR archer.. :-) on same love PR.

[xXFiref0x]

THs and AWs are two different daggers. What I mean is : you can play a TH well, but that doesn't mean you can play a AW well.
What I like in AWs is not their power, but more the dark elf stabbing.

Ghost Hunters now on ES are the best daggers I think. You can pretty much easily 3 shoot a mage, bluff - backstab, mortal/deadly blow then lethal blow, but only if you are 78 and use Focus Death.
AW's stabs hit harder than a TH's. Those will hit for 1.2k damage with focus chance (playing a TH with Focus Power is really hard due to the fact stabs almost never land, you can almost never face your enemy, even with an assassin set your stabs never land) while an AW with none of focus power/focus death will stab for 1.4k damage.
THs are slow as hell, they can get only 210 speed (wind walk -boosted here-+ song of wind + berserker spirit) while AWs get 222 with same buffs. Dash and Blinding blow are not the same thing at all related to speed, since dash lasts 20 seconds and gives about 50 speed, and blinding blow lasts 10 seconds for 30 speed given. But it's a skill, a regular stab.
With focus power on a AW your backstab damage can range from 2500 to 3500 (and more when HEX lands) but I'd still use focus death. I rather land 2x2k stabs than 1x3k stab, still it depends on the situation and who you are facing.
Adventurers have less evasion than Ghost hunters : 139 for TH and 142 for AW (agility + song of water + berserker spirit-tho i dunno if berserker spirit increases evasion) using +5 dex dyes.
The real difference between those daggers is the CON, which affects max hp/(weight limit)/stun resistance. An abyss walker will always get stunned more then a TH due to its low CON. With bless the body/song of vitality an AW's hp at level 78 will be of 7k hp, while TH's 8.5k. Considering you can add +4 con dyes (or even +5) you can go up to 8.2k hp on a aw and 9.5k on a TH.
In 1v1 AWs will beat classes a TH can't beat, but not vs classes able to stun (destroyer/tanks that have shield stun/bash/archers/other daggers). But still if you know how to play a dagger well there are some tricks to avoid a stun.


I really think Ghost hunters are as good as Treasure hunters, anyway PW =/= TH =/= AW depending on the situation, every class has its weakness.

[Zadroch]

More post like that and this forum will become not only for flaming and flooding.