Wepons for a tyrant

[Bhaal]

What wepons are better for a tyrant Dagger, bow or fists one of my friends says Dagger but im not sure :confused:

[HideOn]

A Tyrant needs fists ;)
look at the skills u will see u need fists to do them like cripple and stun ect

[TheStorm]

A Tyrant needs fists ;)
look at the skills u will see u need fists to do them like cripple and stun ect

So i think fists are good but Daggers and Bows on a Tyrant are better^^

A bow for high range kills
And a dagger for fighting like with fists

ANd with a dagger u crit INCREASE TO ARROUND 400 and with a bow to arround 300

[queazy]

Tyrants are NICE
yes.. if you do not have fists you cannot get that extra p.atk from their passive skill (increse p.atk when using fists or whatever) and you cannot use their skills.
But thing is the crit rate for fists is pretty low, as low as a blunt I think. I usually use duals, higher crit rate, plus I whip out my fists when I need to (soul breaker, cripple, hurricane assault..in that order then other fun things).

Of course I always carry a bow with me, sad that tyrants range with a bow is only 600, they'd be very feared if that was changed. And of course, if you know how to use your bison totem that's also killer.

I do know somebody who plays as tyrant & use SA-haste s-daggers though. Since Tyrants do have High CON/WeightLimit they can afford to carry a few weapons on them. I even carry a spear for PVE

[djordje]

In olympiad ONLY fists...
In regular PVP you can use bow , and about dagger -forget about it , it sucks.



By Ra1n
3x Hero-Grand Khavatary
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[ninobrown]

/reroll :D

[pseutakos]

Why do ppl keep trying to equip their chars with weaps that are not made for them??the answer is simple tyrants+fists=right way for play

[venidos]

what about tyrant with these new duals what gives 8% more atk.spd :confused:

[queazy]

Why do ppl keep trying to equip their chars with weaps that are not made for them??the answer is simple tyrants+fists=right way for play

you're right, a tyrant SHOULD use fists. I never said they shouldn't.

But the game is designed to be FLEXIBLE enough to fit your playstyle however you want. I will admit, if all your tyrant uses is a bow you might as well just use a archer. But dude, it is NOT a bad idea to carry different weapons if you do run into fights where their use would be to your advantage.

The best fighters I know do keep more than one weapon on them especially a melee class, like tyrants are. They might only use that extra weapon maybe 5% of the time, but they are no less dangerous because they switch weapons in the middle of a fight.


what about tyrant with these new duals what gives 8% more atk.spd :confused:

I don't know which duals you mean, but the first thing I want to ask is "Do you have more p.atk with these duals or less?"
The duals I use are p.atk 400+ s-duals, used mainly in PVE and in PVP after I use fist specials. If I wanted that +8% atk spd I might consider tallum armor for same benifit. Of course, I might not use these duals if I had like +16 s-fists..but I would crit less. Judge which you want, and how you want your playstyle to be.

[BabyOwl]

tyrant with a bow and dagger vs mages = gg ;)

[irool]

Use a blunt.

[irool]

you're right, a tyrant SHOULD use fists. I never said they shouldn't.

But the game is designed to be FLEXIBLE enough to fit your playstyle however you want. I will admit, if all your tyrant uses is a bow you might as well just use a archer. But dude, it is NOT a bad idea to carry different weapons if you do run into fights where their use would be to your advantage.

The best fighters I know do keep more than one weapon on them especially a melee class, like tyrants are. They might only use that extra weapon maybe 5% of the time, but they are no less dangerous because they switch weapons in the middle of a fight.



I don't know which duals you mean, but the first thing I want to ask is "Do you have more p.atk with these duals or less?"
The duals I use are p.atk 400+ s-duals, used mainly in PVE and in PVP after I use fist specials. If I wanted that +8% atk spd I might consider tallum armor for same benifit. Of course, I might not use these duals if I had like +16 s-fists..but I would crit less. Judge which you want, and how you want your playstyle to be.

Why not go for +8% +8% attack speed?

[queazy]

Why not go for +8% +8% attack speed?

What do you want to give up for +16% atk speed? Heck, why not get +4 Dex dyes that add about +4% atk speed to make it +20%... but what do you want to give up in exchange? HP or strength? (For tyrants.. +DEX/-CON is fine since they have alot of CON already, but not for all classes have such luxury).

You will attack more and faster, that's nice. But you're probably sacrificing p.atk, p.def, HP, fist skills & range just to get to that point. I suppose if you use fist skill "Cripple" which slows the opponent you'll be fine in 1vs1, no way they can run away. But if its group pvp you wll be that much easier to be killed.

Can't remember what else was written in this thread, but SA-crit stun fists are also very very nice choices. But again, fists don't have a high crit rate, they're on par with most blunts who have high accuracy but low crit. Very very nice weapons, but don't expect to be critting every hit. And even if you did, your tyrant may be in trouble in most ranged fights.

[Bhaal]

thanks for all the replys you peeps have helped me alot if you have any more advise keep it comming

[Nithalak]

Tats from 1-78 +5str +4dex -9con
Weapons= assuming u have full buffs (focus3 , hunter) u can either go with a focus dagger or focus fists. (duals =retarded)
DC armor
If you go for focus fists you'll have to use bison for decent critrate.
I like to go with a focus dagger and puma totem for max critrate at insane atkspeed. Normal hits are almost non existant and crits are pretty insane anyway.

Stats of a 78 tyrant with +3 BO focus and DC lt set +4dex+4str and puma totem=
P.Atk. 746
P.Def. 903
Accuracy 120
Critical 370
Atk. Spd. 1350

Same 78 tyrant with +3 focus BT's Puma totem

P.Atk. 1160
P.Def. 903
Accuracy 128
Critical 162
Atk. Spd. 1013

162 critrate is total crap , even with bison they get 262 critrat but atkspeed drops to 844.

As to pvp tats +4dex +4con +4Wit -4int -8str and hp SA fists
Armor depending on what you face , maj vs stunners , DC vs necros , NM vs mages , i dont really like drac myself as it doesnt have any resists.

[Sauri]

Well i have a level 78 Tyrant Drac Armor all that stuff... useing full buffs +puma and fist fury NO COV

Dagger- +8 AS Haste
P atk 1024
Acc 120
crit 320
atk spd 1560

Fists- +16 Deamon Splinters
P atk 1144
Acc 128
crit 162
AtkSpd 1208

Bow- +16 Drac Bow Focus
Patk 3000??? <-- some where around there
Acc 120
Crit 400
Atk Spd- 1015

Basically i figure out when to switch weapons Bow for range obviousely and dagger for close
the only time i use my fists is when im atking a dagger or a maybe archer for the extra accuracy otherwise my dagger does more damage through crits at a way faster rate.

[Deathsaurer]

You can also use fists when fighting an archer for other reasons. Turn on rabbit totem for evasion, cripple the archer, then switch to a dagger/bear. You won't be uber fast but still way too fast. Archer can't run, you hit like a truck, gg. You actually could probably get away with ogre instead of bear, i've never tried. Puma is cool for atk speed but i only use that with a bow, thats just how i do it.

[vulstar]

You can also use fists when fighting an archer for other reasons. Turn on rabbit totem for evasion, cripple the archer, then switch to a dagger/bear. You won't be uber fast but still way too fast. Archer can't run, you hit like a truck, gg. You actually could probably get away with ogre instead of bear, i've never tried. Puma is cool for atk speed but i only use that with a bow, thats just how i do it.

totem ogre is very nice hp restore cuz it restores about 3k hp :D

[Nithalak]

totem ogre is very nice hp restore cuz it restores about 3k hp :D

900 hp ...
And in pvp i wouldnt trade my fists for any other weapon ,especially at lvl 78.
Hp bonus , rage+hurricane+force blaster , 2 stuns and cripple is too much to give away

[Sauri]

i would use a bow over force blaster any day due to faster shots, more damage, and less MP useage. stun and cripple are useful however. theyre pretty much the only damaging skill you would need to use. however attacking a mage i find it easier to just smack them to death with a dagger. as i said before fists are most useful against a player with high evasion / movement speed.

[Nithalak]

i would use a bow over force blaster any day due to faster shots, more damage, and less MP useage. stun and cripple are useful however. theyre pretty much the only damaging skill you would need to use. however attacking a mage i find it easier to just smack them to death with a dagger. as i said before fists are most useful against a player with high evasion / movement speed.

Raging force + force blaster , no bow shoots that fast+u dont have to switch to cripple/Stun + they dont break your stuns.
Even against a mage , hitting with fists actually gives more hits than a dagger (2 swings for every attack) hence more chance to interrupt and you can spam those stuns np inbetween)

PS: Mp useage shouldnt be a problem considering force rage takes 5 mp and blaster 67. A bow will drain aprox the same amount of mana.

[Jenzon]

destroyer with bow>tyrant with any weapon

[Jenzon]

tbh, destroyer with bow > all

[Nithalak]

Nice dreamworld you live in jenson.
Rabbit + 90 second kite > frenzy np...

[djordje]

rly true

[Jenzon]

lmao -_-

[Jenzon]

one fucking crit with a destroyer and >all

[Moonfang]

Nice dreamworld you live in jenson.
Rabbit + 90 second kite > frenzy np...
hahahahahah u make me laugh

[Nithalak]

hahahahahah u make me laugh

Yeah considering the 300 runspeed and 200 evasion tyrants get i bet you'll laugh a whole lot with your super destroyer accuracy and speed ...

[djordje]

crippled.....
2fat2slow
Only one titan beat me, and because i didnt have rabbit...

[Sauri]

LMAO i must agree after i made my destroyer i never used my tyrant...its better no doubt.
and also ranging force + force blaster = too much time not to mention the crapy damage. with my bow you
1. shoot faster
2. can crit
and 3. hit a lot harder over all.
Sure you have to switch between weapons to use cripple or stun but hey im use to it and i pawn well enough. as for fists damaging faster, my +16 deamon splinters do less damage then my +8 AS haste. "fists give more hits than dagger (2 swings per attack)" umm yes you will hit a lot faster *with less attack speed* but the fist's one hit does 1/2 the damage that of the dagger. id say the main difference in the damage is the Crits. more crits = more damage. fist = 162 dagger = 320. oh and the dagger crits a lot harder.

[Sauri]

crippled.....
2fat2slow
Only one titan beat me, and because i didnt have rabbit...

o yea... rabbit thats fast! one problem you hit other people for 1-40 damage MAX on a crit. in PvP your useless useing rabbit
ok not useless only thing you can do is catch up to sum 1 runing and cripple or stun.
Destroyer < Tyrant. Plain and Simple

[Jaded]

fist arnt that bad i got to lvl 76 on a tyrant nothing but fist and little complication
just macro a series of skills together with energy stones and its not that bad. But a drac bow crit slow or focus dose work out better for lvling in the end

[Nithalak]

LMAO i must agree after i made my destroyer i never used my tyrant...its better no doubt.
and also ranging force + force blaster = too much time not to mention the crapy damage. with my bow you
1. shoot faster
2. can crit
and 3. hit a lot harder over all.
Sure you have to switch between weapons to use cripple or stun but hey im use to it and i pawn well enough. as for fists damaging faster, my +16 deamon splinters do less damage then my +8 AS haste. "fists give more hits than dagger (2 swings per attack)" umm yes you will hit a lot faster *with less attack speed* but the fist's one hit does 1/2 the damage that of the dagger. id say the main difference in the damage is the Crits. more crits = more damage. fist = 162 dagger = 320. oh and the dagger crits a lot harder.

Interrupt rate is more influenced by hits than dmg. You may outdmg +16 demon splinters (no SA , very fckin smart ....) with +8 AS haste in pve , but there is no way you'll get consistant hits on a high evasion class.
Add Hp SA on those demon splinters (imho crit stun blows) and u > + 8 as np whatsoever.
2 stuns you can spam , if only 1 of those lands its hurricane , burning fists , 7 charges and a blaster in their face ....

[anders]

a tyrant can take out any not long range char.. just cripple and use bow its work every time for me :)

[Sauri]

hmm you gotta read my entire posts there buddy... mainly speaking in terms of my earlier ones. you are correct you use fists against high evasion but if your fast enough youd be able to use cripple and stun if necessary.. other wise dagger out damages fists as for cast canceling... well lets hope your not picking on noobs with such a low casting speed in which they do get canceled. and as i said 5 times by now its about the criticals you get on the dagger which dont seem to appear enough useing fists maybe if i had focus? iono the point is, is that ive tested PvPing with several variations and no other combination has worked better for me. might be different for you.

[yohancy]

i sugest fists or daggers

[Nublette]

why not sword of miracles? :(

[L3nin]

Yup, Agree whit u Sword of Miracles (Acumen)=)

[Sauri]

Sword of miracles??!!
GOD DAMN IT!!
i just bought the homoculous sword >.>
freekin BR's should of told me sooner..

[pawazz]

lol pre wipe i was using AS +7 with haste and my atk speed was a bit more than 2900 !!! :O do you imagine that speed?? no one were killing faster then i !!! it was incredible beast,and critical was 380 :P good as well

[Moonfang]

ya sure...

[Icerock]

Pre-wipe SantaClaws was the most pimped out tyrant. But they made tyrants overpowered with 9 lvls of boost hp crit rate 3 and crit power 6 back then. So all i needed was a +14 ancient dagger, +6 drac bow focus and A grade claws for cripple. I had more p atk and twice the atk speed of a HE. Overpowered, but fun.

[Sauri]

pre wipe C3 the good ol days... >.< lets just go to C5 im sure we can get our ASPD up there with zelot!

[Nascent]

Pre-wipe SantaClaws was the most pimped out tyrant. But they made tyrants overpowered with 9 lvls of boost hp crit rate 3 and crit power 6 back then. So all i needed was a +14 ancient dagger, +6 drac bow focus and A grade claws for cripple. I had more p atk and twice the atk speed of a HE. Overpowered, but fun.

And we still got rolled by AW's because our arrows would run out. We had like what, 110 accuracy and they had 150+ evasion?

I used to use +10 dual Damascus because they had a pretty good crit rate and a +6 accuracy bonus. It was the best wep against daggers imho.

Post wipe tyrants aren't that great against any of the fighter classes. Against mages pop bison and use a bow, it's like using a machine gun on a paper wall. Against any one else, just use any random pair of fists, get full defense, evasion, and speed buffs, and cripple people for your party members to kill.

[SupaNoob]

only use fist for cripple and stun bow for every thing else